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What are the theories about what the right kind of intention is required for children to be said to be doing philosophy in a significant sense?

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The Intentionality of the Child-Philosopher

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A four-year-old asking "Where does the light go when it goes out?" may be seeking a physics lesson, or they may be interrogating the very nature of non-existence. The distinction hinges entirely on **intentionality**: the "aboutness" or directedness of their mental state toward a specific kind of problem. In the field of [Philosophy for Children (P4C)](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/children/), the debate over what constitutes "significant" philosophy centers on whether the child must intend to analyze a concept or merely experience a specific type of wonder. ## The Theory of Natural Puzzlement Gareth Matthews, in his seminal work [*The Philosophy of Childhood*](https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674664319), argues that the "right kind" of intention is a form of **conceptual play**. For Matthews, children are "natural" philosophers because they possess the intention to explore the limits of their language and categories without the baggage of established dogmas. > "The child’s comments are often quite as profound as those of a professional philosopher, but they are made without the benefit of a professional’s training... The child is simply trying to make sense of the world." (Matthews, 1994) Under this view, "significant" philosophy occurs when the child intends to resolve a **conceptual tension** rather than just acquiring a missing fact. The intention is directed at the "logic" of the situation, even if the child cannot name that logic. ## The Methodological Intention In contrast, [Matthew Lipman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Lipman), the founder of the P4C movement, emphasized a more **Deweyan** or "methodological" intention. In [*Philosophy in the Classroom*](https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED150069), Lipman suggests that significant philosophy requires the intention to participate in a **Community of Inquiry**. For Lipman, the child must intend to: 1. **Self-correct** their own thinking based on evidence. 2. **Collaborate** with others to build a shared understanding. 3. **Reason** through formal or informal logic. Here, a child’s random insight is not "significant" unless it is accompanied by the intention to subject that insight to the rigors of communal investigation. ## The Metacognitive Requirement Some theorists, drawing on the work of [Lev Vygotsky](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/vygotsky/), argue for a "Second-Order" intention. They claim that for a child to be doing philosophy in a significant sense, they must have the **metacognitive intention** to think about thinking. It is not enough to wonder why a lie is wrong; the child must intend to examine the *category* of "wrongness" itself. This shift from first-order (doing) to second-order (reflecting on the doing) is often cited as the threshold for "significant" philosophical practice. *** **To further explore this intersection of developmental psychology and metaphysics, consider:** 1. If a child arrives at a profound metaphysical conclusion by accident—without the intention to philosophize—should we credit them with "doing philosophy" or merely "uttering philosophy"? 2. Does the requirement of a "methodological intention" (Lipman) unfairly exclude younger children who lack the linguistic tools for formal logic but possess high levels of conceptual wonder (Matthews)? 3. How does the **Post-humanist** turn in education, such as that proposed by [Karin Murris](https://www.routledge.com/The-Posthuman-Child-Educational-Transformations-Through-Philosophy-with/Murris/p/book/9781138830172), challenge the idea that intention must reside solely within the individual child rather than in the "assemblage" of child, environment, and materials?

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When do we see these moves in the classroom?

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The Praxis of Philosophical Intent: Classroom Manifestations

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In a classroom setting, the transition from a child’s idle curiosity to "significant" philosophy is often marked by a sudden, sharp shift in the linguistic and social temperature of the room—a moment [David Kennedy](https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt1sq5tsw) calls the "ontological interruption." This occurs when a child stops answering the teacher and starts interrogating the **conceptual architecture** of the question itself. ## The Pivot to Counter-Example We see the **intentionality of the child-philosopher** most clearly when they deploy a counter-example to destabilize a consensus. This is not a mere "accident" of speech; it is a strategic "move" designed to test the boundaries of a category. In [Matthew Lipman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Lipman)’s framework, this is the moment the child adopts the role of the "critical thinker." For example, during a discussion on "What is a friend?", a child might suggest that a dog is a friend. If another child responds, "But a friend has to be able to tell you a secret," they are not just sharing an opinion; they are intentionally performing a **conceptual boundary-marking**. They are defining the "essential properties" of friendship. As Ann Margaret Sharp, co-founder of P4C, observes in [*The Doll’s House*](https://www.p4c.org.nz/resources/curriculum-materials/): > "The child’s move to generalize is a move toward the universal. When they say 'All' or 'None' or 'If... then,' they are intentionally stepping out of their private experience into the shared space of logic." ## Aporia and the Productive Silence While Lipman focuses on verbal moves, Gareth Matthews highlights the **intentionality of silence**. In the classroom, this manifests as *aporia*—a state of philosophical bafflement. When a child is presented with a paradox (e.g., [Ship of Theseus](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/identity-time/)) and falls silent, this is often the "Metacognitive Requirement" in action. The child is intentionally "holding" a contradiction in their mind rather than rushing to a factual exit. This silence is a "move" that signals the child is no longer looking for an answer from the teacher, but is instead looking for a resolution within the logic of the problem itself. ## Transgressive Intent: Philosophy as Resistance A newer perspective, rooted in [Gert Biesta](https://www.gertbiesta.com/publications/)’s work on "the beautiful risk of education," suggests that we see significant philosophy when a child’s intention becomes **transgressive**. This happens when a child uses philosophical inquiry to challenge the adult-centric "order of things." When a child asks, "Why do adults get to decide what is 'fair' if they aren't the ones playing the game?", they are making a **political-philosophical move**. This is not "natural puzzlement" (Matthews) but an intentional use of [Justice as Fairness](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rawls/) (Rawls) to renegotiate their own status. Here, the "significant sense" of their philosophy is found in its power to disrupt the power dynamics of the classroom through the application of ethical principles. > "To philosophize with children is not just to help them think better; it is to allow the 'newcomer' to bring something new into the world, to disrupt our settled ways of being." (Biesta, 2011) In these moments, the child's intention is not just to "understand" the world, but to **reconstitute** it through the medium of the Community of Inquiry.

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What are the objections to the view that children can do philosophy?

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The Ventriloquist Critique: Limits of Juvenile Inquiry

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If we view the child-philosopher through the lens of [Jean Piaget](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Piaget), the "ontological interruption" described previously is not a breakthrough into metaphysics, but a symptom of **pre-operational egocentrism**. Critics of Philosophy for Children (P4C) argue that what looks like profound questioning is often a category mistake or a linguistic accident rather than a rigorous engagement with truth. ## The Piagetian Developmental Barrier The most persistent objection stems from developmental psychology, specifically the claim that children lack the **formal operational thought** required for abstract reasoning. In *The Language and Thought of the Child*, Piaget argues that children under the age of 11 or 12 are cognitively tethered to the concrete. > "The child does not reason like the adult... he is not yet capable of formal logic, and his thought is characterized by a lack of awareness of its own mechanisms." (Piaget, 1923) From this perspective, when a child asks "Who made God?", they are not performing a cosmological critique; they are applying a "concrete" rule of causality (everything is made by someone) to a domain where it no longer fits. They are not challenging the concept; they simply haven't learned its boundaries. ## Cognitive Mimicry and the Ventriloquism Problem A second major objection, articulated by philosophers like [Richard Kitchener](https://www.jstor.org/stable/3120539), distinguishes between "having a philosophical thought" and "doing philosophy." Kitchener argues that philosophy is a **disciplined second-order activity** requiring a level of self-reflection that children have not yet developed. The concern is one of "conceptual ventriloquism": the adult facilitator, eager to find meaning, "reads into" the child's fragmented utterances a sophistication that isn't there. As Daniel Dennett might suggest via his [Intentional Stance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_stance), we may be over-attributing agency and depth to a system (the child) that is simply processing linguistic inputs in a playful, but non-rigorous, manner. ## The Lack of Epistemic Responsibility Philosophy is not just the generation of ideas; it is the **justification** and the systematic defense of those ideas. Critics argue that children lack "epistemic responsibility"—the ability to track the logical consequences of their assertions over time. While the Foundation noted the use of counter-examples, skeptics point out that a child might propose a counter-example (e.g., "A dog is a friend") and then immediately contradict the logic of that move five minutes later without cognitive dissonance. For [Wittgenstein](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein/), mastering a concept is mastering its *use* within a "language-game." If the child cannot consistently apply the rules of the game, they are not "playing" philosophy; they are merely "fiddling" with the pieces. ## The Socialization Objection Finally, some critics argue that "teaching" philosophy to children is an unintended form of **indoctrination into Western rationalism**. By forcing a child’s "natural puzzlement" into the structures of syllogisms and counter-examples, we may be colonizing the child’s unique, "poetic" mode of being-in-the-world, replacing their authentic experience with a hollowed-out mimicry of adult academic discourse. This suggests that the "significant philosophy" we see is actually the disappearance of the child's voice into the teacher's methodology.

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